Kathryn Ruemmler, a lawyer who previously worked for Goldman Sachs and is a former member of U.S. President Barack Obama’s legal team, testifies before Congress about her past association with Jeffrey Epstein. Multiple reports say Ruemmler told lawmakers that she did not know Epstein was sexually abusing people during the time she interacted with him. She says that if she had known, she would have reported the abuse to law enforcement.

The outlets also report that Ruemmler characterizes Epstein’s use of her relationship and connections as a way to gain legitimacy. Her remarks come during a congressional review related to Epstein’s conduct and the handling of information by individuals and institutions. Ruemmler’s testimony focuses on what she knew, what she did with that information at the time, and her account of how Epstein allegedly leveraged her standing.

The reported points are consistent across the two sources: she claims she lacked knowledge of abuse, she states she would have reported it if aware, and she describes Epstein as using her to appear more legitimate.